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Июль 8, 2016
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taki_net: ""Вот… Эстония – очень хорошее государство, я ее очень люблю. Они всё сделали правильно, у них прекрасная полиция, у них электронное государство, у них уровень электронных услуг выше даже, чем в Финляндии, такого не встретишь даже по всей остальной Европе. У них маленькое государство. У них всё хорошо. Только одна маленькая проблема – Эстония очень бедная страна. Как она была бедной в тот момент, когда она вышла из Советского Союза, так она и остается. И это большая проблема, потому что, с одной стороны, Эстония… Я не за то, чтобы Эстония выходила из Евросоюза, потому что если она выйдет, это будет еще хуже, это будет крошечная страна с небольшим населением, которая не пришей кобыле хвост.

Но оказывается, что когда достаточно бедная страна вступает в Евросоюз, мы видим, она получает некоторые подачки, но уровень ее бедности консервируется.


Ребята в белых халатах, поймайте уже ее сачком, завяжите руки и увезите в обитую ватой комнату, а? Ну сколько можно..."

(По рекомендации krimsky)

В дополнение: Действительно, не совсем понятно, что Юлия имела в виду. ВВП на душу населения в Эстонии выше чем в Чехии, Словакии, Чили, Польше, Венгрии.

И еще, по поводу кобылы и хвоста: Норвегия, Швейцария, Исландия, Монако, - все это тоже очень небольшие страны, которые, при этом процветают не являясь частью Евросоюза.

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From:krimsky
Date:Июль 8, 2016 10:22 pm
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Там содержательней не пост, а комментарии.
From:glic an ear
Date:Июль 8, 2016 11:45 pm
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GDP is an not indicator on how *people* are living - it just shows average economy :)

One of the commentaries under krimsky added also link to average salaries, but in exsoviet and exsocialistic space one of the main problem is large *gap between salaries*. I am wondering what is reasoning, that higher management positions not only in private, but also government positions receive salaries, that are comparable to similar positions in west, if production is not similar at all - in most cases western company works with 30 times larger parameters - more clients, more income, more work done etc.

And most of the working people are not even receiving that average salary - and unlike in western countries, they have to pay taxes from first earned eurocent, and also unlike in UK, they don't have welfare system that adds to salaries after taxes(who does not earn enough), so in reality - most of the people are living from 50% from average salary and they also pay taxes from that. So in the end there are many poor people, who are not working in IT or other jobs, that require education and that means many of them are bound to poverty. I know a lots of such people, who does not work in top positions and do not receive top salaries, and who are old already - and so do Latynina. And it could apply to Estonia as well - russians there in most cases makes up looser society, because it is very hard to get education and change circumstances of life, if you are stuck in the past - though some of us succed and break through.


Sorry for writing in english, but I can't really concentrate on writing in cyrillic at the moment. And it seems, that noone is looking into those possibilities why Latynina is right. In exsoviet space I have observed that country side has been emptied, because of lack of infrastructure, jobs, medicine, schools etc. - and most of them were closed down because of EU regulations and projection of healtcare/education system by EU "recommendations", so I can see similarities in Latyninas views, because I'm from countryside and had to move first to town, then to city and then to UK, because of lifechanging survival and adaptation, where people are moving around for better life.
From:glic an ear
Date:Июль 8, 2016 11:56 pm
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PS My definition of poor is that in 20 years I have not been able to make enough money to pay for a house and therefore I do not belong to middle class. Middle class in Baltic countries has not widened to that level of western Europe, so Latynina is perfectly right about conservation of poverty levels. So what we have common is that there is thin layer of rich and superrich people and disproportionately very big layer of people with low income who barely can support themselves and provide their children with future.

Edited at 2016-07-08 23:58 (UTC)
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